Offaly Senior Footballers 2024

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G91 wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 7:57 am Sacking him is probably not the answer either there's no guarantee that the next man to take charge will be any better

At the end of the day declan kelly isn't the one kicking the ball he picks his team and its the team most would say is the strongest

I don't know where we are getting this devine right that we are above all these teams , offaly just about avoided relegation by beating the div 4 team barely

Limerick knew offaly were there for the taking london weren't going to come and lay down and let offaly beat them

Beating meath was the highlight last season of we beat louth it would have definitely been undeserving and lucky, there's no value in a lienster final only Sam maguire entry

When declan kelly won the under 20 there was alot of talk to get him over the seniors he declined alot of people were shocked they wanted this under 20 group to be the core of the senior team

And now they are , now there being called into question and the manager is under fire

On what basis are we challengers for div 3 , Tailteann Cup, or even Sam maguire group series

We are a long way of the pecking order at this stage so exactly what is going to get us into the top 3 of div 3 , or a final of Tailteann
You say there’s no guarantee the next manager will be better but the truth is that they couldn’t possibly be any worse.

Most would absolutely not say he’s picked his strongest team. He’s too loyal to certain players and too stubborn to give others a chance.

He doesn’t just pick the team, he sets the tactics, oversees training etc. The buck stops with the manager.

Nobody mentioned a divine right but with less at their disposal Maughan got us promoted in 2021 to division 2 and very nearly stayed in it in 2022 and in 2023 we went to the final day with a shot at promotion. This year we went into the final day with a chance of relegation.

Maughan led us to the Tailteann semis, Murphy at least got us out of the group, Kelly managed to finish 4th in one of the easiest groups of 4 teams in the second tier!!!

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But last year although promotion was a chance but it was a very long shot

And that was to do with other results rather than our own

We got out of the group but what happened when we met westmeath we were hammered in croker that result was a reality check

There's nobody saying exactly we have a devine right but alot of comments suggest we have an attitude as such

Not unless we are there involved how do know who's to blame for certain players not being involved

What happens the next man comes In and gets same results with different players

It seems to be a common theme no matter who is in charge there's always a controversial issue about some players not involved

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Talking to some of the players today
There embarrassed but willing to fall
On the sword.
Can't say much on here but my eyes have been opened.

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Superhans75 wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 10:24 pm Talking to some of the players today
There embarrassed but willing to fall
On the sword.
Can't say much on here but my eyes have been opened.
Rumours circulating DK handed in his resignation last night. County board refused to accept it?

Eyes have been opened to what?

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The Down game will be difficult. The likelihood is Down might give panel members game time, and these will be lads anxious to make a statement. Questions about commitment or attitude are moot at this stage- pride might dig a result or performance out, but the rest of the year will also be an issue. The championship will plod along, and yet the last 4 will be 95% predictable. The club record in Leinster is no great shakes. It would appear that football is on a plateau, or if you want to be less kind, gone stagnant.
When there is no single identifiable cause for a problem, then there is no single solution. This means having to tease out specific areas and take the necessary steps, but this has to be done across the board. Change the manager. Change the S/C coaches. Change the personnel with development squads. Change the development squad criteria. Change championship times and formats.
If something isn't working, change is the silver bullet that will cure everything. Keep changing. And yet, with all these changes, things seem to end up the same. At some point, you have to wonder why? It's said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and again and expect a different outcome. Anyone of the above changes, in isolation, won't make feck all difference. But if we look at the word improve, for a moment.
Without giving anyone the boot (hypothetically), how might the individuals or groups involved above improve? What tweaks, additions or subtractions might lead to improvement?
The u20 footballers were rightfully celebrated, as was the management. The current u20 hurlers have high expectations, and some serious talent. But one, or even two, golden crops won't sustain a senior county team in the long term. Michael Duignan came in as chair to huge fanfare and bringing sweeping changes. The Faithful Fields is a fantastic facility. Shane Lowry's status and input was the envy of every mid-ranking county. There has been notable highs during his tenure, but now it seems faultlines are showing. If the u20s hurlers get derailed, if Offaly fail to overcome Laois in the Joe McDonagh, then it will seem that all the positivity and momentum will have stalled.
And stalling would be the worse thing that could happen. Because if you aren't moving forward, even incrementally, you'll find yourself going backwards very quickly. And this doesn't even mean that everything is being done particularly badly, rather that other counties are doing the very same things, only slightly better.
Through involvement in 3 different development squads over almost 20 years, I noticed a few patterns. It's a delicate balancing act to try and improve all of the players. If you get settled on a starting 15 too early, and they get disproportionate game time, or become a default tournament selection, then their improvement graph slows down. On the challenge circuit, you'd come up against some counties where you'd recognise a lot of the team, and you knew if you weren't starting strong, you were going to get a rough time. Likewise, you'd come up against counties that you'd see a 50:50 pattern emerge, where they'd have different selections each time, and you'd go away thinking where'd number X come out of, he looked serious but I hadn't seen him before. Certain counties wouldn't look up to much, but through 'getting their act together', suddenly would appear with a very competitive minor team. And even at that, take a moment and think, how many stand-out minors you'd have seen playing in minor All-Irelands, and you'd never hear of them again?
In a ridiculously long-winded effort to get to the point I'm trying to make, change for change's sake, or knee-jerk reaction, isn't necessarily the correct thing in all cases. One thing that can't stand in the way of change is ego. Because ego won't allow room for improvement. And that's where I think the key focus should be: improvement. Because we evolve through improvement. Players train to improve, to play systems better. If the system isn't good enough, it's up to the coaching staff to improve it. Small tweaks can make big improvements. But there are many areas for improvement. If people are willing to adapt, make changes, and look to improve, then the whole picture will improve. But you can't stand back admiring the odd success, nor bury your head in the sand if things aren't going right. Because the counties that are overtaking you are doing the same things- they're just improving faster.

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substandard wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 12:44 am The Down game will be difficult. The likelihood is Down might give panel members game time, and these will be lads anxious to make a statement. Questions about commitment or attitude are moot at this stage- pride might dig a result or performance out, but the rest of the year will also be an issue. The championship will plod along, and yet the last 4 will be 95% predictable. The club record in Leinster is no great shakes. It would appear that football is on a plateau, or if you want to be less kind, gone stagnant.
When there is no single identifiable cause for a problem, then there is no single solution. This means having to tease out specific areas and take the necessary steps, but this has to be done across the board. Change the manager. Change the S/C coaches. Change the personnel with development squads. Change the development squad criteria. Change championship times and formats.
If something isn't working, change is the silver bullet that will cure everything. Keep changing. And yet, with all these changes, things seem to end up the same. At some point, you have to wonder why? It's said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and again and expect a different outcome. Anyone of the above changes, in isolation, won't make feck all difference. But if we look at the word improve, for a moment.
Without giving anyone the boot (hypothetically), how might the individuals or groups involved above improve? What tweaks, additions or subtractions might lead to improvement?
The u20 footballers were rightfully celebrated, as was the management. The current u20 hurlers have high expectations, and some serious talent. But one, or even two, golden crops won't sustain a senior county team in the long term. Michael Duignan came in as chair to huge fanfare and bringing sweeping changes. The Faithful Fields is a fantastic facility. Shane Lowry's status and input was the envy of every mid-ranking county. There has been notable highs during his tenure, but now it seems faultlines are showing. If the u20s hurlers get derailed, if Offaly fail to overcome Laois in the Joe McDonagh, then it will seem that all the positivity and momentum will have stalled.
And stalling would be the worse thing that could happen. Because if you aren't moving forward, even incrementally, you'll find yourself going backwards very quickly. And this doesn't even mean that everything is being done particularly badly, rather that other counties are doing the very same things, only slightly better.
Through involvement in 3 different development squads over almost 20 years, I noticed a few patterns. It's a delicate balancing act to try and improve all of the players. If you get settled on a starting 15 too early, and they get disproportionate game time, or become a default tournament selection, then their improvement graph slows down. On the challenge circuit, you'd come up against some counties where you'd recognise a lot of the team, and you knew if you weren't starting strong, you were going to get a rough time. Likewise, you'd come up against counties that you'd see a 50:50 pattern emerge, where they'd have different selections each time, and you'd go away thinking where'd number X come out of, he looked serious but I hadn't seen him before. Certain counties wouldn't look up to much, but through 'getting their act together', suddenly would appear with a very competitive minor team. And even at that, take a moment and think, how many stand-out minors you'd have seen playing in minor All-Irelands, and you'd never hear of them again?
In a ridiculously long-winded effort to get to the point I'm trying to make, change for change's sake, or knee-jerk reaction, isn't necessarily the correct thing in all cases. One thing that can't stand in the way of change is ego. Because ego won't allow room for improvement. And that's where I think the key focus should be: improvement. Because we evolve through improvement. Players train to improve, to play systems better. If the system isn't good enough, it's up to the coaching staff to improve it. Small tweaks can make big improvements. But there are many areas for improvement. If people are willing to adapt, make changes, and look to improve, then the whole picture will improve. But you can't stand back admiring the odd success, nor bury your head in the sand if things aren't going right. Because the counties that are overtaking you are doing the same things- they're just improving faster.
Some great points made here.

Personally I think the Field Of Dreams approach of "Build it and they will come" would have worked much better. The Faithful Fields is the envy of a lot of counties, and along with good promotion, which is already being done, should be enough to entice the best young players to want to go there and train and play. The approach of threats of what might happen if you miss club training or play another sport and you will be dropped off of developments panels has the exact opposite effect. It's turning them off.

Having one person over the offaly football development who is the senior manager and the development officer in his own underage set up is just way too much. The man is burnt out and looked a frail pale figure down in Limerick on Saturday.

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Post by joey1001 » Sat May 11, 2024 7:35 am

"All quiet on this front for what is the start of out all Ireland at this time.. its been a very good year so far, a good league campaign confirmed having watched the performances of Down, Sligo Clare and wicklow in the championship to date. A big comfortable win in first round of leinster and a lot of positives from the dublin game. Let's hope we show up today with purpose and put London away convincingly, we should be able to get some time into some fringe players aswell during a group stage where we should have 2 comfortable wins (the limerick game will be much different than the league game) and have a right crack at Down, I think this team will go for this championship this year"

On the ball Joey fair play :D

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I stopped commenting much here as the heckling and bickering is childish and petty at this stage, moderator is abit like the financial regulator during the financial crash, i.e. they are either "asleep at the wheel" or what was really the issue was a political appointment who was happy for their cronies to run unchecked while the ship sank etc. etc.

Offaly footballers - Two disaster of results over the last two weekends, abit offensive to be so shocked at Limerick defeat - after all we barely scraped over them in the last round of the league - so were we playing that well in the interim that we were going to beat them this time and beat them well some thought - I cant see where the optimism was coming from, I see the same spiel over on the senior hurling blog - apparently we are way better than Laois and "IF" (yes no doubt every county says IF) we can get our game together and play to our potential we can win the JMCD or in football progress in Tailteann. Problem is "IF". Unfortunately it isnt that simple. Other counties dont give a hoot now about where Offaly "should be"..we are fair game and no team now fears us..thats where we are..What the problem is, well now, who knows really. If I hear another statement about "root and branch" review...how many of them have we had, all ex players and this one and that one on them...all deflates very quickly then when the wheels come off.

Replacing Declan Kelly, I dont know, but like all sports its results driven and Offaly are now down on basement floor, good division 3 performances but ultimate defeats doesnt wash. You can be unlucky to lose one game maybe or two over a season, but when its "if so and so had took his goal" instead of taking the point etc...all very well saying when we are where we are. Ide probably give Kelly another season if he wants it - thats the big question - does he want it. And maybe as someone above said, let the man get on with managing he senior footballers only - this ambasador lark or what ever one calls it "over seeing development of football" all this is a distraction and separate from his job...all looks good on paper but thats about it...hopefully things will settle and things will improve. Wishing both codes all the best - we should be capable of winning the JMCD in hurling, but Laois are bombing it we will do well to beat them, if we do.

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Substandard and Fairplay echo much of my thoughts.
There are issues in the county at all levels and the nay sayers here are typical of the keyboard generation.

However if Declan is to stay on , there woudl need to a serious discussion around what needs to improve at senior squad level and the nay sayers can get the raft of willing , qualified volunteers to take his place.

You'd swear we have a raft of men in key positions to take over.
Niall Stack in Tullamore, winning but brutal football, Ken Furlong/Roger Ryan, all learning on the job, John Rouse, Clara plays same as Niall with Tullamore. Ger Raff in Ferbane.
I've said this already and thats why Subs point is so valid....we can look at end point, what we need is improvement.
Maybe DK needs a mentor , an experienced intercounty manager who could guide, but look , would he accept that?

Anyway Subs points struck a chord and you guys should pause for thought on the effort that many put in for little thanks and firing lads in their first season is not the solution. Wallaces era should in noway be compared in any sense with this!! No way

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substandard wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 12:44 am The Down game will be difficult. The likelihood is Down might give panel members game time, and these will be lads anxious to make a statement. Questions about commitment or attitude are moot at this stage- pride might dig a result or performance out, but the rest of the year will also be an issue. The championship will plod along, and yet the last 4 will be 95% predictable. The club record in Leinster is no great shakes. It would appear that football is on a plateau, or if you want to be less kind, gone stagnant.
When there is no single identifiable cause for a problem, then there is no single solution. This means having to tease out specific areas and take the necessary steps, but this has to be done across the board. Change the manager. Change the S/C coaches. Change the personnel with development squads. Change the development squad criteria. Change championship times and formats.
If something isn't working, change is the silver bullet that will cure everything. Keep changing. And yet, with all these changes, things seem to end up the same. At some point, you have to wonder why? It's said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and again and expect a different outcome. Anyone of the above changes, in isolation, won't make feck all difference. But if we look at the word improve, for a moment.
Without giving anyone the boot (hypothetically), how might the individuals or groups involved above improve? What tweaks, additions or subtractions might lead to improvement?
The u20 footballers were rightfully celebrated, as was the management. The current u20 hurlers have high expectations, and some serious talent. But one, or even two, golden crops won't sustain a senior county team in the long term. Michael Duignan came in as chair to huge fanfare and bringing sweeping changes. The Faithful Fields is a fantastic facility. Shane Lowry's status and input was the envy of every mid-ranking county. There has been notable highs during his tenure, but now it seems faultlines are showing. If the u20s hurlers get derailed, if Offaly fail to overcome Laois in the Joe McDonagh, then it will seem that all the positivity and momentum will have stalled.
And stalling would be the worse thing that could happen. Because if you aren't moving forward, even incrementally, you'll find yourself going backwards very quickly. And this doesn't even mean that everything is being done particularly badly, rather that other counties are doing the very same things, only slightly better.
Through involvement in 3 different development squads over almost 20 years, I noticed a few patterns. It's a delicate balancing act to try and improve all of the players. If you get settled on a starting 15 too early, and they get disproportionate game time, or become a default tournament selection, then their improvement graph slows down. On the challenge circuit, you'd come up against some counties where you'd recognise a lot of the team, and you knew if you weren't starting strong, you were going to get a rough time. Likewise, you'd come up against counties that you'd see a 50:50 pattern emerge, where they'd have different selections each time, and you'd go away thinking where'd number X come out of, he looked serious but I hadn't seen him before. Certain counties wouldn't look up to much, but through 'getting their act together', suddenly would appear with a very competitive minor team. And even at that, take a moment and think, how many stand-out minors you'd have seen playing in minor All-Irelands, and you'd never hear of them again?
In a ridiculously long-winded effort to get to the point I'm trying to make, change for change's sake, or knee-jerk reaction, isn't necessarily the correct thing in all cases. One thing that can't stand in the way of change is ego. Because ego won't allow room for improvement. And that's where I think the key focus should be: improvement. Because we evolve through improvement. Players train to improve, to play systems better. If the system isn't good enough, it's up to the coaching staff to improve it. Small tweaks can make big improvements. But there are many areas for improvement. If people are willing to adapt, make changes, and look to improve, then the whole picture will improve. But you can't stand back admiring the odd success, nor bury your head in the sand if things aren't going right. Because the counties that are overtaking you are doing the same things- they're just improving faster.
Lots of wise words here. I'm not anti improvement, I'd acknowledge that is needed. But for that to happen, you need players and management to invest in that and players need to respect management and vice versa.

Re senior team, without knowing all that much and purely based on anecdotal soundings, the concern is that the management player relationship is so fractured that it is irretrievable at this point. While there have been negative vibes and that's no secret, that can be reflective of some players too. I don't know if that is the case but all sides (player representative group and management) need to sit down with Co board separately and lay their cards on the table to resolve or investigate any issues. We should not have to iron out issues like this after year 1 but we need to do what we need to do so everything moves forward together if that is the outcome.

If players are happy that this management can progress the group and it is a positive place to be, then the Co board and management need to look at what can be done to improve things so Limerick or London does not happen again. However, If players feel, they can't go on with the current management, then the Co board need to intervene and work something from there.

Within the rest of the underage dev side of things, DK needs to realise you can't serve all masters and if staying in senior managers role, should relinquish dev Co ordinator role. Both are too important for one person to be doing both in my opinion.
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Fairplayalways wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 11:54 am I stopped commenting much here as the heckling and bickering is childish and petty at this stage, moderator is abit like the financial regulator during the financial crash, i.e. they are either "asleep at the wheel" or what was really the issue was a political appointment who was happy for their cronies to run unchecked while the ship sank etc. etc.

Offaly footballers - Two disaster of results over the last two weekends, abit offensive to be so shocked at Limerick defeat - after all we barely scraped over them in the last round of the league - so were we playing that well in the interim that we were going to beat them this time and beat them well some thought - I cant see where the optimism was coming from, I see the same spiel over on the senior hurling blog - apparently we are way better than Laois and "IF" (yes no doubt every county says IF) we can get our game together and play to our potential we can win the JMCD or in football progress in Tailteann. Problem is "IF". Unfortunately it isnt that simple. Other counties dont give a hoot now about where Offaly "should be"..we are fair game and no team now fears us..thats where we are..What the problem is, well now, who knows really. If I hear another statement about "root and branch" review...how many of them have we had, all ex players and this one and that one on them...all deflates very quickly then when the wheels come off.

Replacing Declan Kelly, I dont know, but like all sports its results driven and Offaly are now down on basement floor, good division 3 performances but ultimate defeats doesnt wash. You can be unlucky to lose one game maybe or two over a season, but when its "if so and so had took his goal" instead of taking the point etc...all very well saying when we are where we are. Ide probably give Kelly another season if he wants it - thats the big question - does he want it. And maybe as someone above said, let the man get on with managing he senior footballers only - this ambasador lark or what ever one calls it "over seeing development of football" all this is a distraction and separate from his job...all looks good on paper but thats about it...hopefully things will settle and things will improve. Wishing both codes all the best - we should be capable of winning the JMCD in hurling, but Laois are bombing it we will do well to beat them, if we do.
I think Declan Kelly should stay as SF manager, if he wants to. Offaly footballers have been through a lot of managers over the years, there is no guarantee that the next manager will change the lack of interest in the Tailteann Cup, or qualifiers / Tommy Murphy Cup competitions.
The Tailteann Cup is Offaly’s realistic chance of winning a national competition, thereby entering the Sam Maguire championship.
Kildare footballers without a win in Div 2 of the league, have become serious contenders for the TC, I wonder why Offaly could not qualify from a group with 2 Div 4 teams. Good luck to Declan Kelly, or the next SF manager if Kelly decides to walk away.

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The reaction by the media is not as strong as I thought it would be .
Maybe the yes men are more in control
Than we think .
At the end of the day Lowry's pockets are not neverending and we will have to stand on our
Own two feet. Eventually
Hence getting in a management that can
Manage and mould a group of players
Not playing ping pong and silly grudges
The present format is not working
What occurs next is a bold statement of a new chairman coming in
But will it be normal service resumed or
chance a big change

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Offaly are after getting hammered in the second half by London and limerick

Safe to say DK’s back to the future Tommy Lyons 1997 run the sh1t3 out of lads strategy hasn’t worked

Embarrassing stuff this year

Panda Allen kicked 5 points from play against Fermanagh last year and got dropped for no reason

Has any player kicked 5 points from play in a match this year?

Does our county board care about football is the other question I have

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Baggy Jersey wrote: Tue May 21, 2024 2:12 pm Offaly are after getting hammered in the second half by London and limerick

Safe to say DK’s back to the future Tommy Lyons 1997 run the sh1t3 out of lads strategy hasn’t worked

Embarrassing stuff this year

Panda Allen kicked 5 points from play against Fermanagh last year and got dropped for no reason

Has any player kicked 5 points from play in a match this year?

Does our county board care about football is the other question I have
Panda scored 1-11 or close to it in the league last week. Lots of big scores in the last few club league rounds. Who is doing all the scoring? Have they been in with Offaly or on the "development squad"? Has anyone a table for the league regarding scoring and scorers? It would be interesting to look at.

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I wouldnt be getting too carried away with the league scorers.

Attendance at the latter stages of the championship will tell a lot.
Time for cheap shots at management to stop here lads. Get into a meeting room with your club executive and seek clarity on the points you are raising.

Keyboard shite and rumours mean nothing to anyone involved.
This will only be resolved face to face and time to leave off a little.

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