Parish Rule

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Hasselhoff
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Re: Parish Rule

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greenairfield wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:49 pm I agree Hasslehoff to a point but in Birr's situation them 4 or 5 schools that are in the parish but they are outside this famous boundary we have within our parish.
So what we have is our players in school outside the boundaries where our GDA is not allowed coach.

If parish rule is good enough for one part of the county it should be for the rest
What are the five schools you speak of that are in Birrs catchment area?

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Re: Parish Rule

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I think Drumcullen are coming out of this very badly. Surely this is the first time in Offaly that in official objection was put into the county board objecting to children's eligibility due to their address.

Fact of the matter is the children have Kinnitty parents, have gone to school in Kinnitty NS, served mass in Kinnitty and have hurled with Kinnitty all their lives. They are never going to hurl for Drumcullen for God's sake.

This is going on all over the county and only Drumcullen have gone down this road. And with children no less. It stinks to high heaven in my opinion.

Within Kinnitty parish there are many hurlers ineligibly playing with Seir Kieran or who have hurled with Seir Kieran. The Dooley's and Joseph Bergin being the most high profile. Kinnitty never raised this as an issue.

Also I found Toni Ryan's comments in the article comical when he stated Drumcullen refused a young hurler from Birr. For 10 years a young hurler from Kinnitty drove past Kinnitty GAA pitch to go to training in Rath. He was entirely illegal to play with Drumcullen. Again Kinnitty never raised an issue. So him attempting to take the moral high ground here is a bit rich!!

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Re: Parish Rule

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Frank....
St.Brendans BNS. Model school, Irish speaking school, Crinkle, Killeen.
Not sure if you would put in Carrig if you would it be 6.

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Re: Parish Rule

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frankthetank wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:36 pm I think Drumcullen are coming out of this very badly. Surely this is the first time in Offaly that in official objection was put into the county board objecting to children's eligibility due to their address.

Fact of the matter is the children have Kinnitty parents, have gone to school in Kinnitty NS, served mass in Kinnitty and have hurled with Kinnitty all their lives. They are never going to hurl for Drumcullen for God's sake.

This is going on all over the county and only Drumcullen have gone down this road. And with children no less. It stinks to high heaven in my opinion.

Within Kinnitty parish there are many hurlers ineligibly playing with Seir Kieran or who have hurled with Seir Kieran. The Dooley's and Joseph Bergin being the most high profile. Kinnitty never raised this as an issue.

Also I found Toni Ryan's comments in the article comical when he stated Drumcullen refused a young hurler from Birr. For 10 years a young hurler from Kinnitty drove past Kinnitty GAA pitch to go to training in Rath. He was entirely illegal to play with Drumcullen. Again Kinnitty never raised an issue. So him attempting to take the moral high ground here is a bit rich!!
As reported in today's paper, Drumcullen have offered kinnity to cede the two players in question, why have kinnitty not taken up that offer?

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Re: Parish Rule

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Hasselhoff wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:23 pm
private joker wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:16 pm It's not always the case that players will go to a bigger club. But if your forcing kids to play for a club they don't want to or can't cater for in a proper manner I think they should be allowed play where they wish. I know in Dublin in particular where if a player can't make a first team despite being very good they will transfer out and play first team for another local club. Ballyboden for instance have seen a good few of their players transfer to Faughs or st judes and have a good career. Where if they stayed they be 2nd or 3rd string in a club like boden crokes or cuala.
Ballyboden is one of those super clubs and not everyone is going to get a game at the level they want.

The opposite also happens.

I cannot see how having no boundaries would be of benefit to clubs in Offaly.
In practise there actually aren't any boundaries. If a player goes outside his catchment area to play its generally grumbled about but rarely contested. If contested fake addresses are produced, appeals happen, people fall out but generally the player plays whenever he wants if his family stick it out. All you need is a thick enough neck to play wherever you like.

Superhans75
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Let kids play with there friends
Sport is for friendship , fitness and mental wellness.
Not the European court of Human rights.👍

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Following on from Luke Watkins’ controversial transfer from Ballyskenagh/Killavilla to Shinrone the Carney twins are now looking to follow the same path.

If you were a member of Ballyskenagh/Killavilla you’d have to fairly disillusioned with all this.

https://www.offalyexpress.ie/news/gaa/1 ... nrone.html

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frankthetank wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 9:31 pm Following on from Luke Watkins’ controversial transfer from Ballyskenagh/Killavilla to Shinrone the Carney twins are now looking to follow the same path.

If you were a member of Ballyskenagh/Killavilla you’d have to fairly disillusioned with all this.

https://www.offalyexpress.ie/news/gaa/1 ... nrone.html
Horrible to see.

The age-old argument is that it is to expose lads to a higher level of hurling. However, Ballyskenach wouldn't be long getting out of junior A with Watkins and the Carney twins.

The same way that Brosna Gaels would be a very competitive intermediate team with the talented Donal Shirley alongside Chris McDonald (Ballinamere) and the Spain brothers who went to Kilcormac.

Where does it end? Do smaller clubs like Ballyskenach/Killavilla have to just accept that they will nurture their biggest talents of a generation to eventually lose them to bigger clubs when they reach adult level? That's not the GAA ethos at all.

It's a wonder the underage amalgamation of SBK survived the Watkins transfer. You'd have to wonder will it survive this.

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faithfulfanatic wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 10:05 pm
frankthetank wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 9:31 pm Following on from Luke Watkins’ controversial transfer from Ballyskenagh/Killavilla to Shinrone the Carney twins are now looking to follow the same path.

If you were a member of Ballyskenagh/Killavilla you’d have to fairly disillusioned with all this.

https://www.offalyexpress.ie/news/gaa/1 ... nrone.html
Horrible to see.

The age-old argument is that it is to expose lads to a higher level of hurling. However, Ballyskenach wouldn't be long getting out of junior A with Watkins and the Carney twins.

The same way that Brosna Gaels would be a very competitive intermediate team with the talented Donal Shirley alongside Chris McDonald (Ballinamere) and the Spain brothers who went to Kilcormac.

Where does it end? Do smaller clubs like Ballyskenach/Killavilla have to just accept that they will nurture their biggest talents of a generation to eventually lose them to bigger clubs when they reach adult level? That's not the GAA ethos at all.

It's a wonder the underage amalgamation of SBK survived the Watkins transfer. You'd have to wonder will it survive this.
It is not clear who is right or wrong here. Apparently the carney twins have never actually lived in the ballyskenach/killavilla parish.

uibhfhaili72
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Re: Parish Rule

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frankthetank wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 9:31 pm Following on from Luke Watkins’ controversial transfer from Ballyskenagh/Killavilla to Shinrone the Carney twins are now looking to follow the same path.

If you were a member of Ballyskenagh/Killavilla you’d have to fairly disillusioned with all this.

https://www.offalyexpress.ie/news/gaa/1 ... nrone.html
Yes this is big news for a small club, talking to a man who says they lost 3 of their last 4 county minors in the space of 3years ….Producing 4 minors for a club of their size is big but to lose 75% is no doubt difficult… it is not however fresh news that players transfer out of this club I do remember 15 year ago they had a load of loses when they were Senior and intermediate … after almost seeing relegation last year you would have to tip them to fall this year .

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Re: Parish Rule

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I suppose there is many factors what is the club doing to keep the players attracted to the club and wanting the young lads to stay?
Going on what is leaving it would suggest not much.

Considering both clubs were senior about 15 years ago its a considerable fall.

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greenairfield wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:17 pm I suppose there is many factors what is the club doing to keep the players attracted to the club and wanting the young lads to stay?
Going on what is leaving it would suggest not much.

Considering both clubs were senior about 15 years ago its a considerable fall.
Maybe the club developed them and nurtured them for the last 10 years?

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greenairfield wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:17 pm
Considering both clubs were senior about 15 years ago its a considerable fall.
Ballyskenagh have gone from being in a senior hurling final to being an amalgamated club in the 4th of 5 tiers of Offaly hurling in the space of 20 years.

Makes you respect what the likes of Seir Kieran, Kinnitty and Coolderry are able to achieve.

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BK have been decimated population wise over the past number of years,hence the two clubs coming together. During the 90s ,if they had amalgamated sooner they would have contested or won a County final.

Even at their peak of success, they also had another club in the county courting one of their best players to tranverse parish boundaries to " greener pastures" :mrgreen: :oops: :mrgreen: :oops: :mrgreen: :oops:

BK have done absolute trojan work at underage level starting right at the youngest age group to build the club back up again trying to get every young lad in their area involved. If some of the town clubs did as much , we wouldn't know ourselves.

Signs are on, they had a very good under 12 team this year and were competitive in other underage championships.

It's disappointing to lose hurlers to another club.
It's hard going for all the small and rural clubs to keep players ordinarily with the likes of emigration ,lads moving away ,lack of employment etc without losing them to so called bigger clubs in Offaly.

uibhfhaili72
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Hasselhoff wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 12:02 am BK have been decimated population wise over the past number of years,hence the two clubs coming together. During the 90s ,if they had amalgamated sooner they would have contested or won a County final.

Even at their peak of success, they also had another club in the county courting one of their best players to tranverse parish boundaries to " greener pastures" :mrgreen: :oops: :mrgreen: :oops: :mrgreen: :oops:

BK have done absolute trojan work at underage level starting right at the youngest age group to build the club back up again trying to get every young lad in their area involved. If some of the town clubs did as much , we wouldn't know ourselves.

Signs are on, they had a very good under 12 team this year and were competitive in other underage championships.

It's disappointing to lose hurlers to another club.
It's hard going for all the small and rural clubs to keep players ordinarily with the likes of emigration ,lads moving away ,lack of employment etc without losing them to so called bigger clubs in Offaly.
Great to hear there is some brilliant hurling people down there…. hopefully these transfer sagas will end for them and they can get on the way back up just hope for their sakes it doesn’t start at the bottom of the bottom.

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