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125 Years - Hurling
by Verticalstripes » Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:43 am

125 Joe Salmon (Galway)
A regular for Galway between 1949 and 1964, was chosen at midfield on the best team never to win an All-Ireland in the GAA's Centenary year. Career coincided with a period when Galway alternated between All-Ireland contenders and lost souls in Munster.

124 Liam Dunne (Wexford)
Played 126 competitive senior games for Wexford in a lengthy career which reached its peak in 1996, when he played an influential role from centre-back in their All-Ireland success. A triple All Star winner in 1990, '93 and '96.

123 Sean Stack (Clare)
He never won an All-Ireland medal but he is still recalled as one of hurling's great centre-backs. A key figure in Clare's double NHL success in 1977-78 on a team which was very unlucky not to make the championship breakthrough.

122 Austin Flynn (Waterford)
Full-back on the Waterford team that won the 1959 All-Ireland title, Flynn continued to excel in the position long into the 1960s and he was chosen at No 3 on unofficial All Star teams in 1963, '65 and '66.

121 Pat Delaney (Offaly)
Hurler of the year in 1981, when he played a huge role in driving Offaly towards their first All-Ireland SHC title. An imposing figure at No 6, he was also extremely effective going forward.

120 Dan Quigley (Wexford)
A member of one of Wexford's most famous hurling families, he was captain of the side that staged a remarkable recovery against Tipperary to win the 1968 All-Ireland final. A regular with Leinster for many years.

119 Tony Browne (Waterford)
Still going strong at the age of 36, he has been a key part of the Waterford scene since helping them win their only All-Ireland U-21 title in 1992. Best-known as a wing-back, he has also excelled at centre-back and midfield.

118 Timmy Ryan (Limerick)
Hurled at senior level with Limerick for 15 years, during which he won three All-Ireland senior medals in 1934, '36 and '40 and five successive NHL titles in 1934-38. Best known as a midfielder, he won 15 Limerick championships with Ahane.

117 Anthony Daly (Clare)
It was fitting that the honour of being the first Clare man to lead the county to All-Ireland glory for 81 years fell to Daly. A natural leader who captained Clare for eight seasons, the All-Ireland wins in 1995 and '97 were the high points of a high-yield career.

116 Seamus Cleere (Kilkenny)
The first Kilkenny man to be chosen as hurler of the year in 1963, a year in which he captained them to All-Ireland success from right half-back. He captained Leinster to Railway Cup success in 1964 and won two more All-Ireland medals in 1967 and '69.

115 Josie Gallagher (Galway)
Chosen at right half-forward in 1984 on the best team never to win an All-Ireland medal, it was a recognition of the Gort man's excellence on the Galway team between 1942 and 1954, a period in which the county enjoyed little success.

114 Tomas Mulcahy (Cork)
A dual player of considerable talent, it was as a hurler that he really excelled in a career which saw him win three All-Ireland senior medals, one as captain in 1990.
Equally effective in either the half-forward or full-forward lines.

113 Martin Comerford (Kilkenny)
His goal, scored after coming on as a sub in this year's All-Ireland final, may well have been the decisive score but then he has a well-deserved reputation for scoring crucial goals since joining the Kilkenny panel for the 2002 season.

112 Martin Storey (Wexford)
Played for Wexford for 23 years, starring as an U-14 in 1977 and ending with the seniors in 2000. In between, he gave remarkable service to the county, the highlight of which was leading them to All-Ireland glory in 1996. A triple All Star winner.

111 Francis Loughnane (Tipperary) A deadly sniper from frees and open play, he enjoyed an outstanding career as a half-forward with club (Roscrea) and county. He was chosen at right half-forward on the first three All Star teams in 1971, '72 and '73.

110 George O'Connor (Wexford)
O'Connor on his knees offering a thanksgiving prayer is one of the great images from the post-match scene at the 1996 final. He had been on the team for 17 years and won the elusive medal in what was his last game for Wexford whom he served so well as a midfielder and half-forward.

109 Eddie Brennan (Kilkenny)
Seven All-Ireland senior medals and four All Star awards. That's quite a haul and it's probably not complete yet for a man who can exploit his opportunistic instincts anywhere in attack.

108 Johnny Dooley (Offaly)
A triple All Star winner in 1994, '95 and again in 2000, he brought a whole lot more than accuracy from frees to an Offaly squad that enjoyed remarkable success.

107 Ben O'Connor (Cork)
One of the real Cork stars right through this decade and, on the evidence of his performance for Newtownshandrum on Sunday, he still has a plenty more in the tank.

106 Willie O'Connor (Kilkenny)
It was wholly appropriate that he should captain Kilkenny to All-Ireland success in 2000, climaxing a great career in which he won four All-Ireland medals and four All Star awards.

105 Martin O'Doherty (Cork)
A triple All-Ireland medal winner from 1976 to '78 and a triple All Star recipient in 1977, '78 and '79, he was a huge presence at full-back in what was a glory era on Leeside.

104 Garrett Howard (Limerick, Dublin)
Winner of five All-Ireland senior medals with Dublin and Limerick between 1921 and 1936, he also holds the distinction of having won Railway Cup medals with both Leinster and Munster.

103 Tony Keady (Galway)
Hurler of the year in 1988, he brought a swashbuckling approach to centre-back play during what was a glory period for Galway.

102 John Leahy (Tipperary)
Promoted to the senior team as a teenager in 1988, he would go on to become of Tipp's main men for over a decade, during which he won three All Star awards, two as a wing-forward and one at midfield.

101 Joe Deane (Cork)
Made his senior debut in 1996 and brought a remarkable level of consistency to his game right up his final season in 2008.
A wonderfully gifted touch player, his strike rate from open play and frees were crucial to many Cork successes.

100 Brendan Cummins (Tipperary)
Would have completed his 15th championship season with another All Star award were it not for PJ Ryan's heroics in the All-Ireland final. Still, Cummins has four All Star awards and there may be more to come.

99 Iggy Clarke (Galway)
A triple All Star winner at wing-back and midfield in 1975-78-79, he was typical of the new energy which transformed Galway hurling into a powerful force in the early 1970s. Unfortunately for him, he missed out on the big All-Ireland breakthrough in 1980 due to injury.

98 Padraig Horan (Offaly)
Captaining Offaly to their first All-Ireland SHC title in 1981 guaranteed him a place in the county's folklore. By then he was a full-forward having previously excelled in the full-back line where he won three successive Railway Cup medals with Leinster in 1973-74-75.

97 Mick Jacob (Wexford)
Played in goal, defence and midfield for Wexford at underage/senior level but it was at centre-back that he made most impact, a position in which he won three All Star awards in 1972-76-77.

96 Seanie O'Leary (Cork)
His son, Tomas, shows many of his father's sniping instincts in the Ireland and Munster rugby jerseys. Seanie's ability to strike for crucial goals was a major weapon in Cork's All-Ireland three-in-a-row in 1976-77-78 and again in 1984.

95 Seamus Durack (Clare)
Changing the rules so that goalkeepers got more protection was a welcome boost for them and Durack was certainly among those who thrived in the new environment. He won All Star awards in 1977-78-81,

94 Sylvie Linnane (Galway)
Started his Galway career as a wing-back before switching to corner-back, a move that many defenders find difficult to master. Not Linnane, whose firebrand style brought its own special dimension to Galway's defence when they enjoyed their best decade in the 1980s.

93 Gary Kirby (Limerick)
One of the best players never to win an All-Ireland senior medal, he was Limerick's top marksman for many years. His accuracy from frees and open play earned him four All-Star awards in 1991-94-95-96.

92 Martin Quigley (Wexford)
Like Gary Kirby, he was one of those special talents that never won an All-Ireland senior medal, despite playing for Wexford between 1970 and 1989. However, his consistency helped him win four All Star awards in 1973-74-75-76.

91 John Horgan (Cork)
His blonde hair and his long, sweeping clearances from corner-back, made him a cult hero in Cork during the 1970s, during which he won four All-Ireland senior medals and a Hurler of the Year award in 1978.

90 Mick Ryan (Tipperary)
Centre-forward on Tipp's three-in-a-row All-Ireland success in 1949-50-51, he was also a regular with Munster, winning five Railway Cup medals.

89 Michael Kavanagh (Kilkenny)
Facts don't lie. Seven All-Ireland senior medals are the main decorations on a brilliant career which saw him switch from wing-back to corner-back, where he has imposed his own brand of calm efficiency.

88 Sean Og O hAilpin (Cork)
A dual star who eventually settled on hurling where he has enjoyed a great decade, starting with the All-Ireland win in 1999. An inspirational figure in the No 7 jersey, he was Hurler of the Year in 2004.

87 Billy Fitzpatrick (Kilkenny) An All-Ireland medal winner at all levels, he was a deadly finisher from open play and frees in the 1970s-80s.

86 Denis Murphy (Cork)
A consistent presence on the Cork team in the 1960s, winning an All-Ireland medal in 1966. Chosen at left full-back on the Munster team of the Millennium.

85 Jim English (Wexford)
One of the great right half-backs, he won All-Ireland medals in 1955-56-60, granting him entry to the exclusive club of Wexford men who won three senior medals.

84 Pat Delaney (Kilkenny)
Winner of four All-Ireland medals at centre-forward in 1969-72-74-75, his hard-running style thrilled Kilkenny supporters while causing chaos among opposition defenders.

83 Charlie McCarthy (Cork)
Small in stature but his trickery left opposing corner-backs with a serious problem. He played a huge role in Cork winning the All-Ireland treble in 1976-77-78.

82 Brian Cody (Kilkenny)
Made his senior debut as an 18-year-old in 1972, he played his last game with Kilkenny in May 1985. In between, he enjoyed an excellent career as a centre-back, corner-back and full-back, winning All Stars in the last two positions.

81 Tommy Doyle (Tipperary)
His senior career lasted 16 years, during which he won five All-Ireland senior medals, including three-in-a-row in 1949-50-51.

80 Eugene Coughlan (Offaly)
Nobody built more barriers in front of the Offaly goal as they set about creating history in the early 1980s, a success they built on most impressively. A massive presence at full-back, Coughlan won All-Ireland medals in 1981 and 1985, a year in which he was also named Hurler of the Year.

79 Tom Cashman (Cork)
His father, Mick, brother, Jim and uncle Jimmy (Brohan) were all excellent performers too, underlining just how much the family contributed to hurling. Equally comfortable as a half-back or midfielder, he won four All-Ireland senior titles and three All Star awards.

78 Pat Fox (Tipperary)
Started his career as a corner-back but it was as a crafty corner-forward that he made his name aboard the Tipp team that ended the long barren run in the late 1980s. A triple All Star winner, he was Hurler of the Year in 1991.

77 Davy Fitzgerald (Clare)
Standing 5'8", it was claimed early on in his career that he was too small for a goalkeeper. He buried that theory by playing senior championship hurling from 1990 to 2006, a period which featured the golden age of Clare hurling.

76 Tony Wall (Tipperary)
Tipperary captain when they won the All-Ireland title in 1958, he added four more medals to his haul in 1961-62-64-65. A centre-back of substance and style, he was Hurler of the Year in 1958.

75 Pa 'Fowler' McInerney (Clare & Dublin)
His inter-county career lasted from 1913 to 1933 during which he won All-Ireland medals with Clare (1914) and Dublin (1927). He was back with Clare in 1932 when they again reached the All-Ireland final only to lose to Kilkenny.

74 Martin Hanamy (Offaly)
Do you judge your corner-backs purely by how little their opponents scored against them? If so, then Hanamy is your type. Remarkably consistent in a long career which yielded two All-Ireland medals and three All Star awards.

73 Eugene 'Eudie' Coughlan (Cork)
Born in 1900, he was a revered figure in Cork with whom he won four All-Ireland medals between 1926 and 1931. He was also a Munster regular for many years.

72 Theo English (Tipperary)
A multi-talented midfielder, he won five All-Ireland medals in 1958-61-62-64-65 as part of a great Tipperary side that still regards itself as unlucky not to have completed the five-in-a-row in 1961-65.

71 Paddy Barry (Cork)
Captained Cork to All-Ireland success from left full-forward in 1952 in what was the start of a three-in-a-row run. Selected at No 15 in a competitive field for the Munster team of the millennium.

70 Michael Cleary (Tipperary)
His strike rate from frees and open play were crucial for Tipperary over several years. His consistency was reflected in All Star selections, having been chosen for four successive years (1990-93).

69 Leonard Enright (Limerick)
First Pat Hartigan, then Leonard Enright -- what a golden era for Limerick full-backs in the '70s and '80s. Unlike Hartigan, Enright didn't win an All-Ireland title but his consistent excellence earned him three All Star awards.

68 Eoin Kelly (Tipperary)
A county minor at the age of 15, it was clear from early on that the Mullinahone youngster would develop into something special. That proved very much the case and since he's still only 27, there's a lot more to come.

67 Liam Fennelly (Kilkenny)
Three All-Ireland senior medals and four All Star awards, won over a 10-year period (1982-92) underlined a high level of consistency by a man whose instinct for goal-scoring was a major asset for Kilkenny.

66 Mick 'Rattler' Byrne (Tipperary)
A tenacious corner-back on the great Tipp team that won the All-Ireland treble in 1949-50-51, he won a fourth medal in 1958. He was also selected on the Tipperary team of the millennium in 2000.

65 Damien Fitzhenry (Wexford)
Still going strong in the Wexford goal after 16 years. A wonderful shot-stopper, he has often been left more exposed than his peers from other counties but thrives in the toughest circumstances.

64 Jamesie O'Connor (Clare)
A powerful influence in the Clare attack during the county's golden age when they won two All-Ireland and three Munster titles in 1995-98. Hurler of the Year in 1997, he also won four All Star awards.

63 Michael 'Babs' Keating (Tipperary)
A dual player of real substance, Tipperary's strength in hurling provided with the better outlet for his talents. Won three All-Ireland senior medals and was hurler of the year in 1971, a year in which he won an All Star award in the scheme's inaugural season.

62 Ollie Walsh (Kilkenny)
Played in eight All-Ireland finals in three different decades between 1957 and 1971. He played in the days when life was a lot tougher for goalkeepers who could be 'tackled' on the goal line but was unflinchingly consistent. Hurler of the Year in 1967.

61 Paddy Kenny (Tipperary)
Chosen at right corner-forward on Tipp's team of the millennium, he was a high-scoring forward on the teams which won the All-Ireland treble in 1949-50-51. He also won four Railway Cup medals with Munster.

60 Joe Hennessy (Kilkenny)
He won five All Star awards, three at right half-back and one each at midfield and right full-back, which underlines just how versatile the James Stephens man was in a lengthy career with club and county in the '70s and '80s.

59 Seamus Power (Waterford)
His senior inter-county career lasted 16 years, the highlight of which was an All-Ireland win in 1959 when he lined out at midfield. Hugely versatile, he won five Railway Cup medals with Munster.

58 Brian Corcoran (Cork)
Hurler of the Year at the age of 19 in 1992 (despite being on the losing side in the All-Ireland final), he had to wait until 1999 for the big breakthrough. All Star awards at corner-back, centre-back and full-forward showcased his great versatility.

57 Eamonn Grimes (Limerick)
Played inter-county minor at the age of 16 and was promoted to the senior side three years later. A midfielder/half-forward, he captained Limerick to their last All-Ireland title in 1973, a year in which he was chosen as hurler of the year.

56 Tony O'Sullivan (Cork)
Any player who wins five All Star awards, a hurler of the year award and three All-Ireland senior medals needs no further claims to be regarded as a true great. O'Sullivan excelled on three fronts, largely thanks to high scoring rate.

55 Ken McGrath (Waterford)
His father, Pat, an outstanding player over many years, never won an All-Ireland senior medal. Will the same fate befall his son? McGrath has been a regular on the Waterford team since 1996 where his versatility has won him All Stars as an attacker, midfielder and defender.

54 Liam 'Chunky' O'Brien (Kilkenny)
Hurler of the Year in 1975, he slotted easily into the great Kilkenny team of the 1970s -- alternating between midfield and half-forward, winning four All-Ireland medals and four All Star awards.

53 Mick Roche (Tipperary)
Won the first of his three All-Ireland hurling medals as a midfielder in 1964 but when he moved to centre-back, he established a reputation as one of the great, powerful defenders of his era.

52 Noel Hickey (Kilkenny)
No frills, no fuss -- just brilliant full-back play. Would Kilkenny have won the 2005 All-Ireland title (and now have the five-in-a-row) if he hadn't been hit by a virus in mid-July which kept him out of the semi-final? Quite probably.

51 Ned Wheeler (Wexford)
Hurled with Wexford seniors for 16 years between 1949 and 1965, during which they won three All-Ireland titles (1955-56-60) in what was their best era. Wheeler was a major contributor from centre-back and midfield.

50 Donie Nealon (Tipperary)
Five All-Ireland senior medals; six NHL; four Railway Cups with Munster and Hurler of the Year in 1962. That's quite a compliment to his all-round attacking expertise which was decorated with a high-scoring rate.

49 Seanie McMahon (Clare)
Did McMahon's courage in playing on despite carrying a serious injury against Cork in the 1995 Munster semi-final change the course of Clare history? It was typical of his defiant nature which he showcased at centre-back in a career which yielded two All-Irelands, three All Stars and a Hurler of the Year in 1995.

48 Tony Doran (Wexford)
Won an All-Ireland club medal with Buffers Alley at the age of 42. It was a highpoint finish to his great career, during which he brought a very direct style to full-forward play. Hurler of the Year in 1976, despite being on the losing side in the All-Ireland final.

47 Tom Cheasty (Waterford)
Started his career as a 20-year-old who went along to watch a League game only to be drafted onto the team. A Waterford legend who won an All-Ireland medal in 1959, which was the highpoint of a lengthy career.

46 Gerald McCarthy (Cork)
Does anybody pull on the ball overhead anymore? It was a McCarthy special in a a 15-year senior career during which he won five All-Ireland medals at wing-forward, centre-forward and midfield between 1976 and 1978.

45 Phil 'Fan' Larkin (Kilkenny)
The middle link in a family dynasty where three generations won All-Ireland senior hurling titles. A corner or full-back, he won five All-Ireland medals between 1963 and 1979.

44 Phil Grimes (Waterford)
His senior inter-county career lasted 19 seasons during which he established a huge reputation as a top-class midfielder. A key member of the 1959 All-Ireland winning side.

43 Jimmy Smith (Clare)
One of the top forwards who never won an All-Ireland medal, he played for Clare seniors at the age of 18 and continued for 19 years. Munster offered him the best chance to display his great skills, which he did when helping them to six Railway Cup titles.

42 Conor Hayes (Galway)
Three All-Ireland medals, two as captain, was his impressive haul in the 1980s. A highly intelligent full-back, he won three successive All Stars in 1986-87-88.

41 Pat Henderson (Kilkenny)
The oldest of the three brothers who kept the Henderson name on the Kilkenny teamsheet for 27 years. Centre-back was his specialist position, from where he won four All-Ireland medals and the Hurler of the Year award in 1974.

40 Damien Martin (Offaly)
Establishing a big reputation in a county which is not involved on the big days is extremely difficult, but Martin managed that as an outstanding goalkeeper in the 1964-79 period before being a key figure in their big breakthroughs in the early 1980s. He was the first All Star goalkeeper in 1971.

39 Peter Finnerty (Galway)
Winner of five All Star awards in six seasons (1985-90), Finnerty's inspirational play at right half-back was central to what was a great period for Galway.

38 Liam Devaney (Tipperary)
Won five All-Ireland medals at midfield, wing-forward, centre-forward and full-forward between 1958 and 1965. Hurler of the Year in 1961.

37 Billy Rackard (Wexford)
The youngest of three famous hurling brothers, Billy was a dominant centre-back on the teams which won All-Ireland titles in 1955, '56, '60.

36 Ger Cunningham (Cork)
Hurler of the Year in 1986, he was a dominant figure on the Cork team that won All-Ireland titles in 1984, '86, and '90. A triple All Star in 1984-86, he won a fourth in 1990.

35 Jackie Power (Limerick)
A dual star, but it was as a hurler he made the biggest impact in a 15-year inter-county career, during which he won All-Ireland medals in 1936 and '40. Chosen at left half-back on the Munster Team of the Millennium. His son Ger won eight All-Ireland football medals with Kerry.

34 Jimmy Langton (Kilkenny)
Hurled at senior level in three decades, starting in the 1930s. A multi-talented forward, his brilliance was recognised by selection on the Teams of the Century and the Millennium.

33 Denis Coughlan (Cork)
A dual star, but it was as a hurler that he achieved most, including winning four All-Ireland medals between 1970 and 1978 and a Hurler of the Year award in 1977.

32 JJ Delaney (Kilkenny)
Six All-Ireland senior medals at wing-back and full-back, four All Star awards and a Hurler of the Year award in 2003. And he's still only 27 years old. How much more is there to come?

31 Jimmy Barry-Murphy (Cork)
One of the best dual players in GAA history, it was as a hurler that he achieved most, winning five All-Ireland medals and five All Stars between 1976 and 1986. A superb stylist, he was especially effective as a goal scorer.

30 Joe McKenna (Limerick)
Played minor hurling with Offaly, but it was Limerick who benefited from his many talents at senior level in a career where he won one All-Ireland medal and six All Stars. A full-forward of immense power and scoring prowess.

29 Paddy Phelan (Kilkenny)
Chosen at left half-back on the Teams of the Century and Millennium, he won four All-Ireland medals with Kilkenny between 1932 and 1939.

28 Eamonn Cregan (Limerick)
His three All Star awards were won as an attacker, but he also enjoyed a very successful spell at centre-back, during which Limerick won their last All-Ireland title in 1973. Hurled at senior level for 19 years.

27 John Connolly (Galway)
Much of his career came before Galway re-joined the elite in the mid '70s but Connolly was always the real deal and played a huge part in the revival. He then proceeded to be a powerful influence as Galway won the All-Ireland title for the first time in 57 years in 1980.

26 Frank Cummins (Kilkenny)
A powerful midfielder, his senior career lasted from 1966 to 1984, during which he won eight All-Ireland medals, seven on the starting 15. Hurler of the Year in 1983, he won four All Stars in 1971-72-82-83.

25 Tony Reddin (Tipperary)

24 Ray Cummins (Cork)

23 Jimmy Finn (Tipperary)

22 Brian Lohan (Clare)

21 Pat Hartigan (Limerick)

20 John Keane (Waterford)

19 Ger Henderson (Kilkenny)

18 John Fenton (Cork)

17 Bobby Rackard (Wexford)

16 Noel Skehan (Kilkenny)

15 Nick O' Donnell (Wexford)

14 Jack Lynch (Cork)

13 John Doyle (Tipperary)

12 Joe Cooney (Galway)

11 Nicky English (Tipperary)

10 Tommy Walsh (Kilkenny)

9 Lory Meagher (Kilkenny)

8 Mick Mackey (Limerick)

7 Brian Whelahan (Offaly)

6 Nicky Rackard (Wexford)

5 Eddie Keher (Kilkenny)

4 D. J. Carey (Kilkenny)

3 Jimmy Doyle (Tipperary)

2 Christy Ring (Cork)

1 Henry Shefflin (Kilkenny)

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Obviously there'll be no agreement on such a big list but I think they've got the top 10 about right anyway.

I don't think Black and red (henry) or lone shark (tommy walsh) will agree

[leinsterman]

its a hard to fit ever hurler in it. but i think johnny pilkington should have made the 125 somewhere.
he was one of the best midfielder's in the game from 89 to 02. got offaly out of the fire a few time's.
mark corrigan should be there as well if they were from cork or tipp they be there.

[Lone Shark]

Obviously there's plenty of hurlers in this list which very few people could comment on, not having seen them hurl. There's only so much you can take out of grainy TG4 footage. Of the ones in my lifetime, much and all as I'd love to hail Brian Whelahan as the greatest, I'd say Shefflin probably deserves the number one spot for sustained brilliance. Of those in that list, I would say that both Tommy Walsh (I accept I'm in the minority here so no need to have that debate again!) and also DJ Carey are a touch over-rated. Somebody like Eoin Kelly (Mullinahone) on the other hand (and indeed his clubmate Leahy, indiscretions aside) would be a lot closer to the all time top I would reckon.

[Bord na Mona man]

For continual excellence, consistency and making the game look effortless Shefflin deserves top spot.

I'd think Damien Martin is doing well to be at no. 40 considering Damien Fitzhenry is at no 65
Brian Lohan a little high at 22? I'd consider Sean McMahon #49 a more important player to Clare.

For most of the players, I'd have seen little of them to judge.
I suspect a lot of the players from the pre-television age are overated.
When you look at some of the old clips, the matches weren't exactly exhibitions of skill.

[black and red exile]

Shefflin, ahead of greats to name but a few, Ring, Tommy Doyle, Jimmy Barry Murphy and in my opinion the greatest hurler I personally have ever seen Joe Cooney. Really ya just have to laugh how this guy Shefflin is rated No 1. WHAT A JOKE.